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It determines how courts handle factual disputes regarding disability claims. The outcome shapes the balance between agency authority and judicial oversight."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 25-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-713_5iel.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 25-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 43, lines 11-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-713_5iel.pdf","page_label":"file page 43, lines 11-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 68, lines 47-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-713_5iel.pdf","page_label":"file page 68, lines 47-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 81, lines 37-53","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-713_5iel.pdf","page_label":"file page 81, lines 37-53"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. 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