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She argues the court used a harder test for her case. The state defends its application of the law."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 13-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 13-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 25-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 25-39"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 40, lines 43-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 40, lines 43-43"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on February 26, 2025."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court 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It affects how courts evaluate claims from all protected groups. It shapes the scope of federal employment protections."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 13-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 13-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 25-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 25-39"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 40, lines 43-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 40, lines 43-43"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 15-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 15-39"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 45-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 45-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 9-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 9-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 11-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 11-23"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 41-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 41-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 25-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 25-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 55-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 55-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 13-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 13-23"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 47-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 47-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 53-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 53-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 17-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 17-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 25-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 25-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 55-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 55-9"}]}],"slug":"2024-23-1039-ames-v-oh-dept-of-youth-services","term":"2024","title":"Does Title VII require the same proof for all races?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 13-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 13-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 25-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 25-39"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 40, lines 43-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/23-1039_k86m.pdf","page_label":"file page 40, lines 43-43"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":"latest_argument_date","updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}