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Federal ERISA law aims for uniform national rules. Vermont claims its law regulates health care, not insurance."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 18, lines 28-36","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 18, lines 28-36"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 29, lines 46-44","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 29, lines 46-44"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 20-44","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 20-44"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on December 2, 2015."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official 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Insurers rely on uniform national rules. Vermont seeks to track health care spending locally."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 18, lines 28-36","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 18, lines 28-36"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 29, lines 46-44","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 29, lines 46-44"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 20-44","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 20-44"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 46-26","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 46-26"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 8-18","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 8-18"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 48-50","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 48-50"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 28-40","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 28-40"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 6-8","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 6-8"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 18-26","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 18-26"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 32-32","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 32-32"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 36-42","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 36-42"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 6-14","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 6-14"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 26-26","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 26-26"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 30-42","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 30-42"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 46-46","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 46-46"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 20-32","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 20-32"}]}],"slug":"2015-14-181-gobeille-v-liberty-mut-ins-co","term":"2015","title":"Does Vermont's health data law override federal ERISA rules?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 18, lines 28-36","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 18, lines 28-36"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 29, lines 46-44","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 29, lines 46-44"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 20-44","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2015/14-181_daeh.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 20-44"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}