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It shapes how prosecutors prove criminal intent. It affects the rights of all federal defendants."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 29, lines 11-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-8976.pdf","page_label":"file page 29, lines 11-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 29, lines 9-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-8976.pdf","page_label":"file page 29, lines 9-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-8976.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-13"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 60, lines 9-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-8976.pdf","page_label":"file page 60, lines 9-15"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. 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