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One side argues for a strict limit. The other side supports flexible judicial control."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 9-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 9-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-47"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on October 9, 2012."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-15"}]},{"heading":"What each side wants","paragraphs":["the sides that brought the case want the Court to reject indefinite stays.","the opposing sides want the Court to preserve broad stay authority."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 9-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 9-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-47"}]},{"heading":"What each side says","paragraphs":["the sides that brought the case argue indefinite stays violate statutory limits.","the opposing sides argue courts need flexibility to manage competence."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 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Courts manage case backlogs differently. The rule defines procedural fairness for all inmates."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 9-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 9-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-47"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 49-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 49-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 41-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 41-5"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 33-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 33-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 19-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 19-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 29-37","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 29-37"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 29-37","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 29-37"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 43-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 43-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 49-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 49-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 9-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 9-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 33-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 33-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 43-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 43-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 9-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 9-23"}]}],"slug":"2012-11-218-tibbals-v-carter","term":"2012","title":"Can courts indefinitely pause habeas cases for incompetent prisoners?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 9-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 9-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-218.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-47"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}