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The state argued its procedures provide constitutionally protected opportunities to raise claims."],"reargument":false,"sequence":1,"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 9-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 9-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 33-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 33-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 19-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 19-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 31-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 31-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 47-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 47-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 53-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 53-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 43-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 43-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 37-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 37-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 23-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 23-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 43-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 43-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 53-4","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 53-4"}]}],"caption":"Trevino v. Thaler","case_history":[{"changed_at":"2026-08-29T20:06:34.589052Z","explanation":"An official oral-argument transcript was verified.","status":"argued"}],"case_status":"argued","dek":"The dispute centers on whether Texas rules prevent defendants from raising ineffective assistance claims during direct appeal.","dek_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"}],"dispositions":[],"latest_court_document_date":"2013-02-25T00:00:00Z","maturity":"official_transcript","official_detail_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcript/2012","official_disposition_urls":[],"official_docket_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/11-10189.html","primary_docket":"11-10189","revisions":[{"correction_note":"Rewritten to the concise citizen-facing editorial standard.","created_at":"2026-08-30T22:14:18.950768Z","maturity":"official_transcript","revision_number":1},{"correction_note":"Migrated to the dated official Court activity contract without model use.","created_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z","maturity":"official_transcript","revision_number":2}],"schema_version":"1.1","sections":[{"heading":"What this case is about","paragraphs":["This case tests the scope of the Martinez rule. It asks if Texas procedures satisfy federal standards for raising ineffective assistance claims."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on February 25, 2013."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 9-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 9-17"}]},{"heading":"What each side wants","paragraphs":["the side that brought the case wants the Court to find Texas procedures inadequate. This would allow the ineffective assistance claim to proceed.","The state wants the Court to uphold Texas procedures. This would keep the claim barred from federal review."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"}]},{"heading":"What each side says","paragraphs":["the side that brought the case argues Texas rules make it virtually impossible to raise these claims on direct appeal. This creates a procedural barrier that violates federal rights.","The state argues its procedures are among the most generous in the country. It claims defendants receive two opportunities to raise these claims."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"}]},{"heading":"What the justices asked","paragraphs":["Justice Ginsburg asked if Martinez applies when Texas allows direct appeal but notes transcript limitations.","Chief Justice Roberts asked if the appellate court has ever allowed such claims on direct appeal before."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 9-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 9-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 33-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 33-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 19-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 19-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 31-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 31-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 47-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 47-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 53-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 53-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 43-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 43-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 37-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 37-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 23-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 23-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 43-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 43-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 53-4","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 53-4"}]},{"heading":"Why it matters","paragraphs":["This case defines the procedural path for raising ineffective assistance claims. It determines whether state rules can block federal review of these constitutional claims."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 9-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 9-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 33-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 33-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 19-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 19-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 31-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 31-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 47-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 47-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 53-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 53-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 43-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 43-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 37-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 37-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 23-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 23-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 43-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 43-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 53-4","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 53-4"}]}],"slug":"2012-11-10189-trevino-v-thaler","term":"2012","title":"Does Texas procedure bar ineffective assistance claims on direct appeal?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 20, lines 49-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 20, lines 49-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2012/11-10189_2cp3.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-5"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}