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This definition controls the scope of federal antitrust protections."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 15-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 15-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-31"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on November 3, 2009."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"}]},{"heading":"What each side wants","paragraphs":["Hemi Group wants the Court to hold that tax claims are not 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It determines whether cities can sue private entities for interfering with tax collection."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 15-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 15-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-31"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 11-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 11-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 33-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 33-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 47-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 47-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 11-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 11-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 39-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 39-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 43-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 43-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 7-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 7-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 45-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 45-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 39-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 39-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 47-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 47-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 9-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 9-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 11-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 11-17"}]}],"slug":"2009-08-969-hemi-group-llc-v-city-of-new-york","term":"2009","title":"Does a city's claim for unpaid taxes count as property under federal antitrust law?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 15-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 15-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-969.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-31"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}