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They argue courts must defer to the administrator's fallback interpretation.","the opposing sides want the Supreme Court to affirm the appellate decision. They argue courts must independently interpret plan terms to protect participants."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 28, lines 13-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 28, lines 13-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 50, lines 13-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 50, lines 13-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 60, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 60, lines 7-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 61, lines 43-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 61, lines 43-35"}]},{"heading":"What each side says","paragraphs":["the sides that brought the case argue trust law requires courts to defer to the administrator's fallback interpretation. They claim a contrary rule undermines ERISA protections.","the opposing sides argue the appellate court correctly applied a deferential standard to the district court's interpretation. They assert the administrator's interpretation should not receive automatic deference."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 28, lines 13-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 28, lines 13-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 50, lines 13-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 50, lines 13-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 60, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 60, lines 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It clarifies the standard of review for ERISA plan disputes. The outcome shapes how courts handle ambiguous plan terms. It impacts the rights of millions of retirement plan participants."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 28, lines 13-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 28, lines 13-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 50, lines 13-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 50, lines 13-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 60, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 60, lines 7-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 61, lines 43-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 61, lines 43-35"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 3-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 3-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 39-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 39-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 47-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-810.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 47-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme 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