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Reilly","case_history":[{"changed_at":"2026-08-29T20:06:26.065171Z","explanation":"An official oral-argument transcript was verified.","status":"argued"},{"changed_at":"2026-08-29T20:06:26.080677Z","explanation":"An official oral-argument transcript was verified.","status":"argued"}],"case_status":"argued","dek":"The dispute centers on whether a debtor retains specific kitchen equipment or receives its cash equivalent after claiming a statutory exemption.","dek_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 19-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 19-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 31, lines 37-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 31, lines 37-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 17-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 17-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 56, lines 49-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 56, lines 49-19"}],"dispositions":[],"latest_court_document_date":"2009-11-03T00:00:00Z","maturity":"official_transcript","official_detail_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcript/2009","official_disposition_urls":[],"official_docket_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/08-538.html","primary_docket":"08-538","revisions":[{"correction_note":"Rewritten to the concise citizen-facing editorial standard.","created_at":"2026-08-31T01:59:20.473305Z","maturity":"official_transcript","revision_number":1},{"correction_note":"Migrated to the dated official Court activity contract without model use.","created_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z","maturity":"official_transcript","revision_number":2}],"schema_version":"1.1","sections":[{"heading":"What this case is about","paragraphs":["A debtor claimed an exemption for specific kitchen equipment. The trustee sought to sell the property and pay the debtor the cash value. The lower court ruled in favor of the debtor keeping the equipment."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 19-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 19-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 31, lines 37-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 31, lines 37-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 17-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 17-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 56, lines 49-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 56, lines 49-19"}]},{"heading":"How the case got 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equipment rather than the money equivalent."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 19-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 19-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 7-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 7-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 17-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 17-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 45-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 45-13"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme 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lines 33-39"}]},{"heading":"Why it matters","paragraphs":["This case determines whether debtors retain specific property or receive cash value. It affects how bankruptcy exemptions protect household goods. It clarifies the rights of debtors and trustees in asset liquidation."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 19-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 19-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 31, lines 37-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 31, lines 37-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 17-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 17-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 56, lines 49-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 56, lines 49-19"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 19-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 19-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 7-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 7-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 17-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 17-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 45-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 45-13"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 19-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 19-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 37-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 37-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 43-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 43-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 27-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 27-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 61, lines 25-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 61, lines 25-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 19-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 19-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 39-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 39-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 13-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 13-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 33-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 33-39"}]}],"slug":"2009-08-538-schwab-v-reilly","term":"2009","title":"Does a debtor keep specific property or its cash value when claiming an exemption?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 19-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 19-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 31, lines 37-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 31, lines 37-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 17-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 17-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 56, lines 49-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-538.pdf","page_label":"file page 56, lines 49-19"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}