{"argument_date":"2009-11-02T00:00:00Z","arguments":[{"argument_date":"2009-11-02T00:00:00Z","heading":"What happened at the argument","official_detail_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcript/2009","official_transcript_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","paragraphs":["Scott Nelson argued federal rules govern all federal courts.","Justice Ginsburg noted state laws often restrict penalty recoveries.","Justice Ginsburg cited prior cases avoiding federal-state conflicts."],"reargument":false,"sequence":1,"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 11-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 11-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 33-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 33-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 11-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 11-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 37-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 37-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 17-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 17-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 3-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 3-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 41-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 41-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 14, lines 5-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 14, lines 5-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 11-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 11-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 51-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 51-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 51-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 51-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 13-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 13-29"}]}],"caption":"Shady Grove Orthopedic Associates, P.A. v. Allstate Ins. Co.","case_history":[{"changed_at":"2026-08-29T20:06:26.044938Z","explanation":"An official oral-argument transcript was verified.","status":"argued"}],"case_status":"argued","dek":"Shady Grove wants to sue Allstate as a class. Allstate argues New York law bans this.","dek_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"}],"dispositions":[],"latest_court_document_date":"2009-11-02T00:00:00Z","maturity":"official_transcript","official_detail_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcript/2009","official_disposition_urls":[],"official_docket_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/08-1008.html","primary_docket":"08-1008","revisions":[{"correction_note":"Rewritten to the concise citizen-facing editorial standard.","created_at":"2026-08-31T02:00:05.406773Z","maturity":"official_transcript","revision_number":1},{"correction_note":"Migrated to the dated official Court activity contract without model use.","created_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z","maturity":"official_transcript","revision_number":2}],"schema_version":"1.1","sections":[{"heading":"What this case is about","paragraphs":["Shady Grove seeks a class action. Allstate demands individual suits only."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on November 2, 2009."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-17"}]},{"heading":"What each side wants","paragraphs":["Shady Grove wants to proceed as a class action.","Allstate wants to limit the case to individual claims."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"}]},{"heading":"What each side says","paragraphs":["Shady Grove argues federal rules control procedure.","Allstate argues state law restricts penalty recovery."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"}]},{"heading":"What the justices asked","paragraphs":["Justice Ginsburg asked if federal courts can ignore state individual-only rights.","Chief Justice Roberts asked if all state statutes become invalid."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 11-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 11-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 33-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 33-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 11-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 11-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 37-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 37-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 17-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 17-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 3-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 3-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 41-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 41-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 14, lines 5-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 14, lines 5-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 11-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 11-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 51-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 51-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 51-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 51-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 13-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 13-29"}]},{"heading":"Why it matters","paragraphs":["This case defines the boundary between federal procedure and state law. It determines whether class actions can bypass state limits on penalties. The outcome shapes how consumers sue in federal courts."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 11-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 11-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 33-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 33-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 11-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 11-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 37-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 37-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 17-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 17-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 3-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 3-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 41-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 41-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 14, lines 5-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 14, lines 5-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 11-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 11-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 51-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 51-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 51-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 51-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 13-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 13-29"}]}],"slug":"2009-08-1008-shady-grove-orthopedic-associates-p-a-v-allstate-ins-co","term":"2009","title":"Can Federal Class Action Rules Override State Individual-Only Laws?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 24, lines 15-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 24, lines 15-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 19-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2009/08-1008.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 19-9"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}