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The relator seeks a 30-day window. 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It affects how quickly relators must act. It impacts government oversight of fraud cases."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 7-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 7-23"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 41, lines 27-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 41, lines 27-29"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 7-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 7-13"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 43-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 43-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 35-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 35-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 13-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 13-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 25-37","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 25-37"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 29-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 29-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 19-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 19-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 41-49","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 41-49"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 13-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 13-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 47-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 47-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 25-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 25-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 39-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 39-43"}]}],"slug":"2008-08-660-united-states-ex-rel-eisenstein-v-city-of-new-york","term":"2008","title":"Does the government count as a party for appeal deadlines when it declines to intervene?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 7-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 7-23"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 41, lines 27-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/08-660.pdf","page_label":"file page 41, lines 27-29"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}