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heard oral argument in this case on October 14, 2008."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-15"}]},{"heading":"What each side wants","paragraphs":["Oregon wants judges to set consecutive sentences without a jury.","The defendant wants a jury to find facts before sentences run back-to-back."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 23, lines 19-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 23, lines 19-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-13"}]},{"heading":"What each side says","paragraphs":["Oregon argues this factfinding differs from previous Sixth Amendment cases.","The defendant argues this is a bright-line rule from Apprendi."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 23, lines 19-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 23, lines 19-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-13"}]},{"heading":"What the justices asked","paragraphs":["Justice Scalia asked if the sentence length fact is more important than jury facts.","Justice Kennedy asked why the statute requires this specific finding."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 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It affects how states structure sentencing laws. It shapes the balance between judges and juries."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 23, lines 19-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 23, lines 19-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-13"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 37-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 37-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 43-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 43-5"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 7-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 7-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 15-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 15-39"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 5-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 5-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 51-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 51-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 35-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 35-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 39-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 39-43"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 17-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 17-21"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 9-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 9-13"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 3-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 3-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 37-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 37-13"}]}],"slug":"2008-07-901-oregon-v-ice","term":"2008","title":"Does a judge need a jury to decide if prison terms run back-to-back?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 23, lines 19-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 23, lines 19-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-901.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-13"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}