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The dispute centers on the constitutionality of Idaho's checkoff law."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 41-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 41-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-51"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on November 3, 2008."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"}]},{"heading":"What each side wants","paragraphs":["the sides that brought the case want the Court to strike down the 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It determines whether states can mandate financial support for unions."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 41-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 41-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-51"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 25-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 25-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 3-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 3-5"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 33-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 33-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 39-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 39-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 47-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 47-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 5-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 5-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 31-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 31-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 7-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 7-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 19-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 19-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 45-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 45-51"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 29-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 29-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 9-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 9-21"}]}],"slug":"2008-07-869-ysursa-v-pocatello-ed-assn","term":"2008","title":"Can Idaho counties deduct union dues from nonmember paychecks?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 41-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 41-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-869.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-51"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}