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Hulteen wants the court to strike down the plan. The dispute centers on how the plan credits time off for pregnancy versus other illnesses."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 51-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 51-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 26, lines 41-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 26, lines 41-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-37","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-37"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 55, lines 15-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 55, lines 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31-45"}]},{"heading":"Why it matters","paragraphs":["This case defines how employers must credit pregnancy leave in pension plans. It affects the financial security of working mothers. It sets the standard for equal treatment in retirement benefits."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 51-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 51-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 26, lines 41-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 26, lines 41-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-37","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-37"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 55, lines 15-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 55, lines 15-51"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 27-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 27-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 23-41","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 23-41"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 45-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 45-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 13-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 13-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 14, lines 43-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 14, lines 43-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 14, lines 9-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 14, lines 9-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 15, lines 37-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 15, lines 37-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 13-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 13-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 17, lines 13-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 17, lines 13-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 7-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 7-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 39-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 39-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 58, lines 3-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 58, lines 3-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 11-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 11-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 31-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 31-45"}]}],"slug":"2008-07-543-at-t-corp-v-hulteen","term":"2008","title":"Does a pension plan violate the law by crediting pregnancy leave differently than other medical leave?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 16, lines 51-11","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 16, lines 51-11"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 26, lines 41-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 26, lines 41-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 19-37","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 19-37"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 55, lines 15-51","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2008/07-543.pdf","page_label":"file page 55, lines 15-51"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}