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It affects how parties challenge remand orders. It shapes the balance between federal and state courts."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 37-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 37-23"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 15-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 15-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 57, lines 7-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 57, lines 7-23"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 5-13","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 5-13"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 17-31","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 17-31"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 35-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 35-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 13-17","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 13-17"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 3-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 3-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 39-39","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 39-39"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 41-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 41-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 57, lines 25-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 57, lines 25-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 57, lines 45-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 57, lines 45-47"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 58, lines 41-45","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 58, lines 41-45"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 43-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 43-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 47-54","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 47-54"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 8, lines 11-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 8, lines 11-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 15-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 15-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 25-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 25-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 3-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 3-9"}]}],"slug":"2005-05-409-kircher-v-putnam-funds-trust","term":"2005","title":"Can parties appeal a federal remand order under SLUSA?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 25, lines 37-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 25, lines 37-23"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 15-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 15-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 57, lines 7-23","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/05-409.pdf","page_label":"file page 57, lines 7-23"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}