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This status grants immunity from federal admiralty suits."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 35-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 35-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 29-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 29-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-21"}]},{"heading":"How the case got here","paragraphs":["The Supreme Court heard oral argument in this case on March 1, 2006."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 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each side says","paragraphs":["Northern Insurance argues counties lack sovereign immunity in admiralty cases.","Chatham County argues delegated sovereign functions grant it immunity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 35-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 35-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 29-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 29-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-21"}]},{"heading":"What the justices asked","paragraphs":["Chief Justice Roberts asked if immunity depends on a case-by-case inquiry.","Justice Scalia asked if an entity can have immunity in admiralty but not elsewhere."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 27-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 27-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 27-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 27-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 21-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 21-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 15, lines 31-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 15, lines 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It determines whether local governments face admiralty liability."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 35-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 35-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 29-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 29-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-21"}]},{"heading":"What happens next","paragraphs":["This article currently covers the argument record. Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 10, lines 27-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 10, lines 27-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 11, lines 27-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 11, lines 27-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 12, lines 21-27","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 12, lines 21-27"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 15, lines 31-35","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 15, lines 31-35"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 5-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 5-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 23-25","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 23-25"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 4, lines 47-3","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 4, lines 47-3"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 5, lines 49-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 5, lines 49-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 6, lines 29-33","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 6, lines 29-33"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 25-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 25-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 49-5","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 49-5"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 7, lines 5-9","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 7, lines 5-9"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 9, lines 15-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 9, lines 15-19"}]}],"slug":"2005-04-1618-northern-ins-co-of-n-y-v-chatham-county","term":"2005","title":"Can a county claim sovereign immunity in federal admiralty court?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 13, lines 35-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 13, lines 35-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 21, lines 29-1","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 21, lines 29-1"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 17-21","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2005/04-1618.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 17-21"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}