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Use the official docket link for later case activity."],"sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 5-19","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2002/01-9094.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 5-19"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 55, lines 45-47","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2002/01-9094.pdf","page_label":"file page 55, lines 45-47"}]}],"slug":"2002-01-9094-abdur-rahman-v-bell","term":"2002","title":"Can a state prisoner use a Rule 60(b) motion to seek federal habeas relief?","title_sources":[{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 27, lines 23-7","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2002/01-9094.pdf","page_label":"file page 27, lines 23-7"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 3, lines 21-15","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2002/01-9094.pdf","page_label":"file page 3, lines 21-15"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 44, lines 5-29","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2002/01-9094.pdf","page_label":"file page 44, lines 5-29"},{"evidence_type":"Transcript","label":"Official Supreme Court Transcript — file page 54, lines 1-43","official_url":"https://www.supremecourt.gov/pdfs/transcripts/2002/01-9094.pdf","page_label":"file page 54, lines 1-43"}],"topics":[],"undated_disposition_date_fallback":null,"updated_at":"2026-09-05T03:22:24Z"}